Fish BAN on WC species

So, what do all of you think about this latest a greatest BS....
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Toss this in with the proposed NOAA rules for salt water corals and the hobby is taking a heavy hit.

The need to protect our native species from invasive or harmful pathogens/parasites is understandable, that is the basic idea behind this from what Im reading. But the fact is many of these 'pets' that would be listed as "unaccepted" could not live in our wild anyway. They require special conditions (usually temperature) that would not allow them to survive here. Sad if they were to apply this to all the WC fish in our hobby.

Hey, just like our fireworks. Get your fish at the reservations since Native Americans are exempt from this law. We just have to sneak them off the res and into our tanks. If only people wouldn't let the snakeheads loose in central park all the time, this wouldn't be an issue.
I can understand why this bill has come about but they first have to figure out how to fund it and that won't sit too well when there is a ton more important issues that need to be addressed. I perdict a complete failure of this bill once we hear from the ways and means committee.

I see the prices of good quality stock sky rocketing in the near future, just like ammunition recently did...... I'd like to think that her heart is in the right place, and that she is just completely ignorant to actual solutions for an issue she sees as a major problem.

I hate to think when this finally passes. I feel they will just continually re write it until its worded in away that it gets pushed through. I feel it unfairly targets exotic pets where studies show that domesticated cats have a huge impact on the environment they are let loose in.

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hey madness,
does this mean no more WC red devils?

earthfish wrote:hey madness,
does this mean no more WC red devils?

If this is passed, then it could mean no WC anything. Almost all of the exotic Plecos being sold are WC from Brazil. Thats just 1 type of fish that would not be available anymore. I read another article on another forum that said plants may also be involved in this.

I guess we will have to wait and see. Until then, stock up. Cause you know that if this passes and a date is set, the price of WC species will go through the roof.

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Invasive - — adj
1. of or relating to an invasion, intrusion, etc



Talk about someone with to much time on their hands...

madness wrote:

earthfish wrote:hey madness,
does this mean no more WC red devils?

If this is passed, then it could mean no WC anything. Almost all of the exotic Plecos being sold are WC from Brazil. Thats just 1 type of fish that would not be available anymore. I read another article on another forum that said plants may also be involved in this.

I guess we will have to wait and see. Until then, stock up. Cause you know that if this passes and a date is set, the price of WC species will go through the roof.

Good thing I just ordered my dream WC pleco!

earthfish

Good thing I just ordered my dream WC pleco!

what Pleco did you order?

hobbyorobsession wrote:studies show that domesticated cats have a huge impact on the environment they are let loose in.

It'll be a cold day in H-E-double-hockeystick if they ever try to take my darling furballs!

WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!!
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Whats so stupid is just because America does it, doesn't mean other countries will. We are always so concerened with the enviroment and what not, but it's 3rd world countries that are the worse ofenders. As far as the import of wild caught fish I think some kind of regulation is needed but not here. It has to be where the fish are coming from and the people catching them, good luck with that! If fishing is not regulated at the source like Africa, the fish will dissapear just a matter of time..

The key to saving these species in the wild is to make it profitable to do so. If they cannot be sold why save the river jut cyst he jungle and move on.

I really love how this all of a sudden becomes an important "environmental issue" yet modern society continues to ravage the environment with our consuming lifestyles, where in comparison invasive fish are a moot point. This is the LEAST of man's worries. The govt is about the money, follow the money and you will have all the answers you need.

I understand the need for something like this because invasive species can do a lot of harm to our native species, but I'm afraid it will be too far reaching. If this gets through, I hope common sense will prevail, if there is any in Congress.

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There is a list of invasive fish species here...
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A news story from yesterday.
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I certainly get the whole invasive species thing as well and I am 100% against promoting it in any way. Lets be real with this, we live in Washington state, for the most part keep tropical fish from 1000's of miles away and they will not live for 5 minutes in our waters. That being said, there is zero logic in an all-encompassing bill like this that ban so and so species from EVERY state. That is why one must see who has a vested interest in a bill of this type. There is someone or some corporation that is funding this.

madness wrote:

earthfish

Good thing I just ordered my dream WC pleco!

what Pleco did you order?

Butterfly.

Addicted2CAs wrote:I certainly get the whole invasive species thing as well and I am 100% against promoting it in any way. Lets be real with this, we live in Washington state, for the most part keep tropical fish from 1000's of miles away and they will not live for 5 minutes in our waters. That being said, there is zero logic in an all-encompassing bill like this that ban so and so species from EVERY state. That is why one must see who has a vested interest in a bill of this type. There is someone or some corporation that is funding this.

You are right about the fact that the fish could not live in our environment BUT if they are not banned on a national level there will always be someone that will bend the rules and take his legal fish and sell them to someone who should not own them or sell them to someone in a state where the fish are banned. It will happen anyway (even if they are made illegal or banned everywhere...there will always be those that will own them in "secret") but most laws are "blanket" style...what's good for one is good for all. It makes it easier for the lawmakers and enforcers. No decisions need to be made and the fish are simply illegal and banned.

IN the bill it states "goldfish" on the exempt list. Really???? Talk about invasive. I used to catch 8"-12" goldfish right out of Greenlake as a boy and still do out of Lake Samamish right off of Marymoore Park. I don't see this bill passing.

cichlid-gal wrote:

Addicted2CAs wrote:I certainly get the whole invasive species thing as well and I am 100% against promoting it in any way. Lets be real with this, we live in Washington state, for the most part keep tropical fish from 1000's of miles away and they will not live for 5 minutes in our waters. That being said, there is zero logic in an all-encompassing bill like this that ban so and so species from EVERY state. That is why one must see who has a vested interest in a bill of this type. There is someone or some corporation that is funding this.

You are right about the fact that the fish could not live in our environment BUT if they are not banned on a national level there will always be someone that will bend the rules and take his legal fish and sell them to someone who should not own them or sell them to someone in a state where the fish are banned. It will happen anyway (even if they are made illegal or banned everywhere...there will always be those that will own them in "secret") but most laws are "blanket" style...what's good for one is good for all. It makes it easier for the lawmakers and enforcers. No decisions need to be made and the fish are simply illegal and banned.

Exactly, so we ALL get screwed and it's easy for the lazy a** govt to simply make a blanket bill. In the end all of this means nothing as fish will still be imported, simply with a jacked up price tag and it will all be underground. Look at the great "war on drugs," it's really working right?

Oh no, the war on fish is starting.....just say dry, just say dry!