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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-19, 18:44

So, I think my Riccia Fluitans in my 15 gallon tank is pearling! I didn't think it was possible for Riccia Fluitans to do that (until I did a google image search on it) . . . not sure how this happened, but it's pretty neat! Very Happy

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Also noticed this little phenomenon happening in my 10 gallon tank. Looks like my Purple Cabomba is making air as well... I filmed this several days ago, and it's still creating those same bubbles to this day. Hrmmm? Is that also considered as pearling? There were several other parts of the plant that was releasing those bubbles (you can kinda see the bubbles in the background towards the right side if you look hard enough). As for the other "single" bubbles that appear once in a while, I'm fairly certain that those are NOT from the plants, but rather just trapped air... but yeah, as for the streams of bubbles, is that pearling?
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I don't have a co2 setup in my tanks, so . . . I don't know why my plants would be doing this... ?
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Post  Guest 2013-05-19, 19:20

Looks like pearling to me. Dont think CO2 has anything to do with pearling, just maybe easier to make it happen. Pearling is going to happen during photosynthesis when & only when no more oxygen can be absorbed by the water. This to me is a sign of very high O2 levels in the water which is a great thing.

Bubbles also can be created under substraight by decaying organic matter but this is not O2. If I remember right this is a form of methane or something...

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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-19, 19:48

theChad, oh yes, I'm aware of the gas pockets that can form in the substrate, and that stuff is no bueno in a tank Sad I'm assuming that, that is the case though, hehehe.
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Post  Seattle_Aquarist 2013-05-19, 22:00

PokeSephiroth wrote:So, I think my Riccia Fluitans in my 15 gallon tank is pearling! I didn't think it was possible for Riccia Fluitans to do that (until I did a google image search on it) . . . not sure how this happened, but it's pretty neat! Very Happy

Also noticed this little phenomenon happening in my 10 gallon tank. Looks like my Purple Cabomba is making air as well... I filmed this several days ago, and it's still creating those same bubbles to this day. Hrmmm? Is that also considered as pearling? There were several other parts of the plant that was releasing those bubbles (you can kinda see the bubbles in the background towards the right side if you look hard enough). As for the other "single" bubbles that appear once in a while, I'm fairly certain that those are NOT from the plants, but rather just trapped air... but yeah, as for the streams of bubbles, is that pearling?
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I don't have a co2 setup in my tanks, so . . . I don't know why my plants would be doing this... ?

Hi PokeSephiroth,

Plenty of light along with nutrients will result in 'pearling'; which is the release of oxygen being generated by the plant during photosynthesis.
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-19, 22:49

Thanks for the info, Roy! Very Happy
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Post  binbin9 2013-05-19, 23:01

the riccia is looking nice and lush. Are you dosing any ferts as well?
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-19, 23:07

binbin9, no ferts...just mineralized topsoil that I got from Gizmo. Very Happy
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Post  BillHN 2013-05-21, 22:19

ANGELO I WANT SOME RICCIA hhahahaha
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-22, 01:23

BillHN, lolololol, if I can find a way to properly propagate these without making a huge mess, I'll totally give you some! Very Happy

I remember when I first tied these onto the branches, my tank got SO MESSY... the filter intakes got clogged everyday for like... two weeks. D:
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Post  BillHN 2013-05-22, 01:30

Lolol wtf xD
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-22, 02:12

Yeah, stuff doesn't cling on ANYTHING. I used fishing line to tie the cccccraaaaap out of it, and it STILL made a mess! Sad I should have used mesh like those loofa...poofy things people use in showers. But even then, those holes are still a bit too big... XD
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Post  BillHN 2013-05-22, 15:55

I'll give you some mesh haha.
Stuff's actually really cheap, and this one is finer and should do the trick.
I haven't had any luck with my riccia... Neutral
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-22, 15:57

BillHN, wait, you HAVE riccia? Where did you get iiiit? I think the Riccia I have is doing well now. It's no longer causing a mess in my tank (until I end up trimming it...which is what I fear the most LOL.)

As for the mesh, I think I'm okay. Thanks though! Very Happy if anything, I'll just leave whatever I trim, floating on the surface and when THAT grows, I can sell it or use it for trades, or heck...gift it. LOL
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Post  BillHN 2013-05-22, 16:06

I got it from bin, but when I tied it to a surface... it DIED!!!!! Sad
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-22, 16:14

D: ...... which tank did you place it in? Water params? Hrmmm... how much lighting? And do you dose your tank with excel, because that WILL kill your riccia Sad
or rather... "melt it" if you're not dosing too much of the stuff.

Basically if it's a type of moss, or jungle val, it will not do very well with excel (or so I've heard). I don't dose in any of my tanks, so I can't really tell because I've never tested dosing before.
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Post  binbin9 2013-05-22, 16:43

Riccia is D. E. D. already? what happened?

quote="BillHN"]I got it from bin, but when I tied it to a surface... it DIED!!!!! Sad[/quote]
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-22, 16:46

It's been slightly over a month now, since I tied my Riccia Fluitans onto the branches, and this is how it looked like, as of April 20th:
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And then this is how it looked like on May 13th:
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As of now, the latest video I have of my tank shows the latest growth of my Riccia Fluitans, which I posted on the 16th:


Lamental Jester and I have been using the same lights in our 15 gallon tanks, and they seem to be doing great for us. We both have two of them in our tanks.
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Post  nick_76 2013-05-22, 17:27

has a winner been declared on the epic shrimp battle?
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-22, 17:39

Not yet, I'm afraid. We don't know who is going to be the moderator, or who to send the pictures to. LOL.
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Post  nick_76 2013-05-22, 19:12

so this is rather open ended...maybe a panel of judges...they would have to decide the judging criteria between them before viewing the photos though...
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Post  nick_76 2013-05-22, 19:13

not that photos of both tanks havent been plastered all over the place.....
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-22, 19:17

Correct.

I'm just about ready to submit a photo, when Lamental Jester is ready. ;-)
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Post  nick_76 2013-05-22, 19:33

i would be the judge under the caveat that i would openly seek bribes! just kidding, who ever judges is gonna have a tough time with this one..
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-22, 19:39

LOL!!!! I'll give you 5 skittles. THAT'S ALLS I GOTS!!! LMFAO
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Post  nick_76 2013-05-22, 19:45

alright...considering...hey LJ, how badly do you wanna win this thing?
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Post  Lamental Jester 2013-05-23, 02:26

Seven skittles

...I've hit a snag, my moss is taking longer to grow in cause I took out my DIY co2 since I got the shrimps. The phoenix moss I got in looks all dead brown and such, which is how the first batch I got looked but eventually that got all green and pretty. I'm just now starting to see bits of green pop up in the newer batch. Gonna start lightly dosing with excel to try to speed up the process
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-23, 03:04

Lamental Jester, well after all those extra plants you got from BillHN (that was supposed to go to me. *wink wink*), surely you would've gotten a huge advantage from that. Ehh? geek

I'll be waitin'.
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Post  Lamental Jester 2013-05-23, 03:19

lol, none of those are going into that tank, I stuck them all into a 20 long I just setup to grow out plant trimmings:
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The light fixture cost me $5 at value village, put a couple $4 6500k daylight lightbulbs from QFC in there, plus the sunlight it will be getting being along the window, I figure it'll grow plants quite nicely, might add my DIY co2 as well to it
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-23, 03:34

oh niiiiice Very Happy lol, I see you used the original HoB filter that came with the 15gal, on the 20gal XD... FILTER ALL THINGS!!
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Post  Lamental Jester 2013-05-23, 14:14

Yeah, I got a few little HOB filters laying around, I don't use them very often... I'm more of a canister and sponge guy
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Post  binbin9 2013-05-23, 14:24

Lamental Jester wrote:lol, none of those are going into that tank, I stuck them all into a 20 long I just setup to grow out plant trimmings:
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The light fixture cost me $5 at value village, put a couple $4 6500k daylight lightbulbs from QFC in there, plus the sunlight it will be getting being along the window, I figure it'll grow plants quite nicely, might add my DIY co2 as well to it

it's quite the jungle. What's the big Orange stem in the middle? Some kind of Ludwigia?
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Post  Lamental Jester 2013-05-23, 14:57

binbin9 wrote:it's quite the jungle. What's the big Orange stem in the middle? Some kind of Ludwigia?
Hydro Corymbosa 'Stricta' actually, I got it at the auction.... It was getting choked out in the 75 so I moved a stem to the 20 (still a couple stems left in the 75 I'll move too)


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Post  Gizmo 2013-05-23, 15:55

The video of the bubble stream (not the same as pearling) indicates some cellular damage to the plants` stem. Was that taken right after you did some pruning, by chance?\

Nice pearling on the riccia though. I had some back in the day, no riccia to attempt it now. Let me know if you ever find yourself with some extra.
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-23, 16:31

Gizmo: Why yes, I believe I did prune that day... come to think of it. Very cool! Thanks for the confirmation on this Gizmo!

If the Riccia ends up growing out, I'll see if I can get some for you! Smile
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Post  nick_76 2013-05-24, 12:09

LJ-7 skittles, LJ? hmmm...going for quantity over quality perhaps? whats the color make up of these seven skittles?

throw in the sword at the front right corner of that tank and the win is yours...hell, ill even let you keep 6 of those skittles..
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Post  Lamental Jester 2013-05-24, 12:35

Ironically, that sword was actually suppose to go to poke... but you can blame BillHN for that Very Happy

Yes seven, thanks to years of genetic engineering and animal testing, some say I was mad, but they will eat their words when they see my creation: brown and light brown (hey, worked for M&Ms) Mwahahahahahahahaha!

... yay science!


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Post  Guest 2013-05-24, 12:48

The anticipation of LJ's tank is making me sick. Been following both your widdle tanks & started my own widdle tank project with the help of Bill Smile in a 10 gallon long metal framed tank.

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Post  Lamental Jester 2013-05-24, 13:24

The anticipation of getting those leopards from you is making me sick theChad! Do you need any plants for your 10 long?
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-24, 14:44

My White Cloud Mountain Minnows are going to outgrow my 15 gallon tank at this rate D:
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Post  Guest 2013-05-24, 14:51

Lamental Jester wrote:The anticipation of getting those leopards from you is making me sick theChad! Do you need any plants for your 10 long?

You know Im not sure... I have many starters of background plants. Thinking about picking up trident Java fern. Ive never had much luck with highlight ground covers but plan on trying in this tank. Aquarium coop had a few of these ground covers, for the life of me i dont remember the names. If you have any ground cover starters I would he defiantly interested.

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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-24, 15:08

Those clover leaf, lookin plants look like a great ground cover plant Very Happy
Baby Tears (HC?) is also good, and seems to be doing well in my 20 gallon long, tank.
LJ also has some glosso that he might be able to spare ;-)
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Post  Lamental Jester 2013-05-24, 16:00

The clover stuff in my 15 is hydrocotyle tripartita. It will grow vertically, but you can push it down against the substrate to encourage carpet style growth. The stuff has grown pretty fast for me, but I was also using DIY co2 for a while. I might be able to trim some for you theChad, not much, but at least something to get started with.

PS- poke, I don't have glosso, I have marsilea minuta, which is mixed in with the hydrocotyle. I was stupid and thought marsilea minuta was glosso at the auction.
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Post  Guest 2013-05-24, 16:08

Yeah, that sounds neat LJ. TY!

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Post  nick_76 2013-05-24, 17:03

Lamental Jester wrote:Ironically, that sword was actually suppose to go to poke... but you can blame BillHN for that Very Happy

Yes seven, thanks to years of genetic engineering and animal testing, some say I was mad, but they will eat their words when they see my creation: brown and light brown (hey, worked for M&Ms) Mwahahahahahahahaha!

... yay science!

k..i was gonna hand you the win, cuz i hate purple skittles, which was 20% of pokes offerings...but im opposed to animal testing, and i dont have that sword yet, so im gonna have to declare pokeseperoth the winner...
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-24, 17:21

Bluuuuurg? I thought the bag was labelled as glosso? Well, no worries, it still looks really neat in your tank! Very Happy
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Post  Lamental Jester 2013-05-24, 17:26

nick_76 wrote: k..i was gonna hand you the win, cuz i hate purple skittles, which was 20% of pokes offerings...but im opposed to animal testing, and i dont have that sword yet, so im gonna have to declare pokeseperoth the winner...
Sorry, I guess I was a little unclear. When I say animals, I'm really saying people
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-24, 17:50

Welps, looks like I win. Smile
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Post  Lamental Jester 2013-05-24, 18:01

Lamental Jester wrote:Sorry, I guess I was a little unclear. When I say animals, I'm really saying people
And when I say people, I'm really saying Poke, and people that vote against me
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Post  PokeSephiroth 2013-05-24, 18:16

Stiiiiill winning. Very Happy
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Post  Lamental Jester 2013-05-24, 18:18

yes you are, in nick_76's head, congrats Wink
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