Southern Delight fish food

You see, this is the difference. An accusation of a "banned" substance, with no no info backing the legitimacy of the accusation, or of the substance having any real negatives. Hear say, or simply stating that something is, does not make it so. But, I guess the heavy weight champs will always have a contender. I have been trying to make the simple case this whole time, we already know what constitutes a good food. How can anyone look at that ingredient list, and even consider it as anything more then the run of the mill, typical cheapo fish food. And more still, with questionable labeling.

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If I am deciphering it correctly, 14-28ppm caused deaths in Rainbow Trout fry at a sustained dousage in the water supply.

Nothing about chemical bonding in food though, concentrations, dissolvability, ect.

Additional information on fish food ingredients can be found at this link.  I don't know the person who produced this nor do I know that it is entirely correct but there is a lot of information in this link that might lead to further research of ingredients or concerns about ingredients if you are so inclined.

Thank you Anthony for the link on Ethoxquin that clears up many misconceptions and myths about  that additive.

Here's the link for ingredients:
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Having raised dogs for years I spent many of those years searching for the best "foods" for my dogs.  There was always something new and exciting coming out on the market.  Now you can find refrigerated dog food in the grocery stores...who would have thought?

Personally, doing the research before you chose will give you the best bang for your buck.  Maybe the distributors can get some more detailed ingredient information for all of us on this new fish food so that we can make a knowledgeable decision regarding it.

In the end I don't think there is a perfect food...all of them contain ingredients that we would prefer they don't. It's about making an educated decision with the best information that you have.

Betty, I just realized that you and I are the same age.  I guess we go back a few yrs in more ways than one.  lol

In the end I don't think there is a perfect food...all of them contain ingredients that we would prefer they don't. It's about making an educated decision with the best information that you have

Well put, Donna.


As far as the link to the oscar website, unfortunately the information found on that website is nothing more than the opinion of a person who is neither trained in this field, or spent any time working in this industry.  Some good info, mixed in with some very misleading, and in a number of cases just downright false information.  Major fail in IMHO, just as it was when kmuda posted about this subject on MFK.

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If you want to learn about ethoxyquin, and pet food, read that link.

Donna, your last statement is a very true one, in a perfect world, we could be shipped an assort of natural fresh foods from any particular fishes native habitat on a weekly basis,  that would make me happy, but I would go broke.

Dwarfpike, good link. I'm going to look into that a little more and see if there were any other contributing factors, and also see if it was tried on more then one batch. It is hard to be conclusive, if a test is only carried out a single time, and with a single group of fish.

The link I provided has plenty of information on toxicity levels, as well as information about the FDA approval.  Along with this info, it provides other information regarding all fish food, and the fact that they all contain this preservative and why. So, if an argument is to be made against nls with the regards to this preservative,  so too must it be made against southern,  as it, by law, must also contain this preservative in order to have the raw materials shipped here so it can be made, or whatever process any particular company my follow.

But, trying to shy a discussion away from it's focal point, by pointing fingers at another product is a tactic used by someone desperate to make a sound argument with little information to back it up. A good recent example of this can be found in current political on goings.

I don't have a horse in this race btw, I don't feed either atm.

I wasn't saying that it was bad by the way. We all know of chemicals that aren't toxic when bonded to another compound, or are more toxic in certain situations (ammonia being more toxic at higher pH for instance). I don't know enough about how it's added to the food to speak intelligently about it. All we know from that link is that the chemical is toxic to a sensitive species fish fry when exposed to it over an extended amount of time in a water soluble form. If in the food it's not in a water soluble form, then the point is moot.

I do try to read a lot about the subject of food, though I rarely post on it due to just the lack of knowledge.

Heck, I'm still trying to figure out why most 'veggie' pellets/flakes have such high min. protein percentages.

Its all good, you provided a link, any input to any discussion is valuable imo.

Just waiting for RD to rip my post apart!!!  

He knows his stuff, I can't find anyone out there that knows fish nutrition better. I have been saying for a few years now, if someone can convince RD then I am convinced. But have done a healthy amount of research myself.

FYI - I'm not looking to rip anyones post apart, I'm just trying to keep things real. 


"But, trying to shy a discussion away from it's focal point, by pointing fingers at another product is a tactic used by someone desperate to make a sound argument with little information to back it up. A good recent example of this can be found in current political on goings."


My thoughts exactly, especially when those comments come from not just someone with a personal (sponsor) interest in the product, but someone who is also a moderator on this forum.


Anthony, just so you know, there is no law that states that all fish meal must be preserved with ethoxyquin, or any other type of preservative. Obviously all fish meal, krill meal, squid meal, shrimp meal, etc muct be preserved with something or they will soon go rancid, but only those products entering US waters by boat must be preserved with antioxidents such as ethoxyquin.  If it enters by transport truck, train, etc, not an issue. 

Up until fairly recently finding fish meal that was preserved with substances other than ethoxyquin was impossible. Today, while still not always easy to find at least some of these raw ingredients, including fish meal, can be sourced without ethoxyquin.  Fish meals that incorporate natural preservatives such as tocopherols (vitamin E), citric acid (vitamin C), and rosemary extract can now be found in North America.  But that's just fish meal, a lot of other marine based proteins would be ruled out, at least for the time being.  Anything & everything that contains any type of fat, is preserved with something.  Even micro-algae such as  Haematococcus pluvialis (astaxanthin) is oftened preserved with ethoxyquin.  Of course for those suppliers stating that their raw ingredients are 100% ethoxyquin free, we really only have their word to go on, or each batch of each ingredient purchased would have to be tested.  Most feed manufacturers are not going to go to that expense, it simply becomes too time consuming, and costs too much $$$.  There is a breaking point on how much money the average consumer will pay for fish food, no matter how healthy it may be. 

Honestly, if one is adamant about avoiding any amount of artificial preservative in their fishes diet, they should probably consider feeding homemade food made from organic ingredients.  Even then, who knows ....

Anthony J. wrote:

Betty wrote:I have been feeding NLS for years and have no complaints.  I've tried plenty of other food samples and have yet to find one that I like as much as NLS. I did pick up a sample of the Southern Delight food at the swap and I'm going to give it a try soon.

You know Betty, you have to be my favorite fishboxer. And, that's not because of what you feed. Always straight to the point "here is my opinion" and that's it. I Always smile when I see you have posted. Kinda of random in the middle of this conversation,  but, just thought I would share. Let us know if you see any positive or negative impact with this please.

Thank you, Anthony.  

RD. wrote:Betty, I just realized that you and I are the same age.  I guess we go back a few yrs in more ways than one.  lol

RD, I had no idea you were such an old guy.  


I really like the food that I've been feeding my fish for the past several years, but I'm sure there are other good quality foods out there.  I have to admit that I don't do a lot of research on the subject of food. I do look at the ingredients lists, but it's not the only thing that I compare.  I look at the poop!  When fed some of the foods I've tried in the past, the fish produced a lot waste. I don't see that much with nls. One of the distributors mentioned fish making less waste with Southern Delight and I'm interested in trying the sample I picked up and comparing it (poop) to what I see now.

RD. wrote:FYI - I'm not looking to rip anyones post apart, I'm just trying to keep things real.

Awww, but that's the most entertaining part of being in a thread with you RD!!! Maybe it was because I didn't say something silly like "I found this link under this one specific condition so thus it must apply to everything everywhere no matter what!!!" I'll try to be more silly next time!!!  

I would be curious at what ppm NLS does use it, but if I read your post correctly they aren't the ones adding it. It is shipped in with the various seafood meals they purchase for production. That means they would have to test each batch to get an idea since it various by the meal producer, adding quite a bit to the expense of the food.

I would also assume (yeah, I know, bad) that since it's added to meal, it is bound into a non soluble form.

Correct, New Life has never added any type of preservative to their products, other than ample amounts of tocopherols (vitamin E), and citric acid (vitamin C).  Considering the fact that one can now source naturally preserved fish meal, there's nothing saying that their food contains any amount of artificial preservatives, but I honestly do not know as that would be information beyond my scope. I've been out of the fish food game for some time now and have no idea what each & every raw ingredient in NLS  is or isn't preserved with. Honestly, I seriously doubt that many manufacturers  would even know. This isn't dog food, where only 1 ingredient (fish meal, and/or salmon meal) is being used, and requires testing.  Most quality fish foods contain a number of aquatic based raw ingredients that contain fatty acids, which all require some type of preservative in order to remain stable up to the pellet/flake processing stage. That, and in fish food, and feeding fish, there has never been any type of association with any type of preservative, and health issues in fish. As I explained in the MFK link posted previously, dogs are much more sensitive to certain artificial preservatives than rats, and I'm assuming fish.  It doesn't mean that at extreme levels some of these substances can't be toxic to a fish, but that could be said about many things found in fish food, including certain vitamins.

But this thread isn't about NLS, it's about a relatively new food, one that hasn't withstood the test of time.  One where the promoters would have you believing that chicken quills, corn, and soybeans contain nutrients superior to all those before them.


Betty - ouch!  lol 

While the waste produced by fish can generally be used as a guide to the overall digestibilty and/or quality of the food, this is NOT the case when probiotics are added to the food.  If a fish feed company is using a stable form of probiotic, one that can handle the high heat of extrusion, and that is in high enough numbers of live spores that it will have an affect on the reduction of solid waste (the only fish waste that one can see with the naked eye) the waste produced by the fish will be less, and the waste produced will further break down in ones tank.  BUT, that has nothing to do with digestibility, and/or quality of the feed.  Bacillus sp spores that are used in fish food,  are the same bacteria used in septic tank bacteria, and they produce the same results in both applications - the reduction of solid waste. 

Certainly some of these bacteria have been shown in some studies and using certain species of fish that these bacteria can improve the overall feed conversion ratio ....... but of foods that mostly consist of wheat & soybeans. Of course that's a non issue for anyone that is NOT feeding large amounts of terrestrial based starch derived from wheat, soybeans, corn, etc to their fish.

But that's the part that Keita Harada, the top researcher at Hikari's Kyorin Research facility in Japan failed to mention when corresponding with me a few years back. (see below) Ditto to Cobalt Aquatics, Southern Delight, and every other company who will follow suit & jump on the latest probiotic bandwagon, while using soybeans, corn, etc in their food -instead of simply using higher quality ingredients with greater overall digestibility.

From an organic reduction standpoint, this isn't exactly cutting edge technology. These exact same heterotrophic bacteria have been used to digest & remove waste from septic systems for decades, the only difference being that in the past no one referred to them as probiotics.  In the aquarium trade they have been marketed and sold as sludge reducers, for decades.

With regards to Hikari, and their "probiotic" formula,  the following was sent to me in 2010 regarding a question I had about this very subject. The person responding to that question was Mr. Keita Harada, one of the top researchers at Hikari's Kyorin Research facility in Japan.

Dear Neil,

Thanks for your understanding.

>Personally I believe that one can keep their tank water & filters clean
by simply performing regular maintenance.

Yes you are right, if koi are kept in good environment with proper filtering and maintenance, additional probiotics is not necessary.

But with help of probiotics, the frequency of maintenance, water change and filter cleaning can be reduced.

Please remember that Saki-Hikari, our probiotics added koi food, is originally developed for koi breeder. For professionals, reducing maintenance means less labor, which implies higher profit.

For this field probiotics is quite effective.

With best regards,

Regards,
Harada 

This was designed to reduce waste, in what for many fish keepers would equate to a food that is being assimilated better by their fish.  But it's not, it simply means less maintenance, and the potential reduction in pathogenic (bad) bacteria. I don't argue that fact which is why I add Baccillus sp. bacteria to my tank water on a regular basis, and pay a fraction of what it would cost for the exact same bacteria via the aquatic trade.  Anyone interested in this area might be interested in reading this. 

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Very interesting. I'm going to take a look at the link...

This is funny that a topic called 'Southern Delight Fish Food' turned in to why NLS is so awesome.   Seriously guys stop hijacking! Start your own thread   

So I am going to get back on subject, the food which this topic was about. I obtained some generous sized samples of the Large Cichlid Pellets and so far this is my observation.

1. The fish readily accepted it. This is important, duh! I tried another brand of pellet that was so dense and coated with a vitamin mix that the initial reaction of the fish was to spit it out and acceptance was a bit of an issue. Let alone this stuff is kind of a boutique food that is hard to get in the size I need.

2. The pellets do not make a big mess when fed. This point was a huge issue because I was feeding another brand and it was getting ground up even though I was using a much smaller pellet. It would cause a ring around the tank like a gross bathtub ring. Thats pretty bad considering my 210g get 3 water changes a week with me cleaning this 'ring' up every time! Not overstocked or overfed. I portion out my food by measuring spoon. They are fed consistently the same amount.

3. No gross smell from the food or my tank water. Some other foods Ive used stink when you open the can. Others have caused a reek to the tank water after feeding. My wife is the first to 'remind' me how bad this is.... I like the fact this leaves no smell.

4. This one is left open for the waste.... (got to wait till they poop). Another brand I have fed caused the fish to have a red fart cloud waste that was more trouble than it was worth. I call it fishy diarrhea. I have to wait and see how this stuff does, but I have faith I wont see this issue, since I really have seen this issue with only one brand I was feeding.

So with all the people that got free samples why are you not telling us your thoughts?
Please do not be bullied by others, its your opinion and you have a right to express it here.

Please note: I did not 'name' any of the competing products to start a flame war on food. I am trying to stay on topic and have a 'grown up' discussion. Can we all keep it that way? Please?

LMAO, what on earth are you talking about? 

The first person to mention NLS in this discussion was none other than you.  Which was then followed by one of the vendors of Southern Delight (mrmann), and came off as challenging New Life's integrity, or knowledge base, and again later by one of the so called sponsors of this food. (madness)  The latter comment which clearly was an attempt to place food manufacturered by New Life in a bad light. 

NLS huh? Are all of you aware that NLS uses a banned pesticide as an ingredient? It is called Ethoxquin, this chemical is banned in half the country.

Is that the type of grown up discussion that you are seeking?  One where someone associated with the competition can simply make things up as they go along? 



In fact, in my previous comment I even stated:

But this thread isn't about NLS, it's about a relatively new food, one that hasn't withstood the test of time.  One where the promoters would have you believing that chicken quills, corn, and soybeans contain nutrients superior to all those before them.

Is that what you are referring to as hijacking, or were those comments directed at someone else?

Please do not be bullied by others, its your opinion and you have a right to express it here.

I concur 100%, which means that ALL opinions from ALL members should have that same right, even if their comments are not positive ones, or (gasp) challenge the status quo.

OK seriously I am not going to get into a pissing match about he said you said. The bashing of SD was started by a member on here that is an NLS user, which is his prerogative, NLS is a great food. But the comments were flat out unnecessary. I myself also made a comment that was unnecessary, and I am man enough to step up and admit that.

But this is a thread talking about a new product which is what this forum is for. Questions and concerns or comments are welcome. But the bashing of the foods ( notice that is plural) stops now, and the snide remarks about other members stops now.

If you want to start another thread about bashing foods, please do that. If you want to start a thread on how great NLS is or any other food is, please do that also. I believe we already have a thread similar to this already started.

This forum is for product review, that is a review of a product that has been used. I may have started this SD thread in the incorrect forum, but I am unable to move, so here it remains, so those of you that have tried the product please let us know your comments.

So with that said, regardless if I am a sponsor of SD or any other products, I am not posting this because of that, I am posting this because I have been asked to by other members that are tired of reading it.

Thank you in advance for following this request.

[quote="Madness"]NLS huh?  Are all of you aware that NLS uses a banned pesticide as an ingredient?  It is called Ethoxquin, this chemical is banned in half the country.  
Madness,
After seeing your post I looked at the ingredience on my container of N.L.S. "small fish formula" and do not see this ingredient/chemical listed at least on this particular formula. Thanks for bringing this to attention. There is a direct contact # on the container (305)245-1906
Also says this product is manufactured in the U.S.A.
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Madness wrote:NLS huh?  Are all of you aware that NLS uses a banned pesticide as an ingredient?  It is called Ethoxquin, this chemical is banned in half the country.  
Madness,
After seeing your post I looked at the ingredience on my container of N.L.S. "small fish formula" and do not see this ingredient/chemical listed at least on this particular formula. Thanks for bringing this to attention. There is a direct contact # on the container (305)245-1906
Also says this product is manufactured in the U.S.A.  
New life spectrum Int., Homestead Fl. Or
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Thanks for the input, but this thread is about Southern Delight. The comments regarding all other foods including NLS were not to be done on this thread, so I am trying to get it back on topic.

Please read RD's response to the Ethoxquin. We have another thread that talks about all the foods, please submit any comments regarding these foods there.

Thank you

Madness wrote:We have another thread that talks about all the foods, please submit any comments regarding these foods there.

  
I came to talk about Southern delight on this one.

I have continued my testing. I am going to try another food company suggestion to feed exclusively for 10 days and see the results. If I dont see any benefits from feeding Southern Delight then no big deal, no loss, I finish it up and move back to my former feed.

I myself also made a comment that was unnecessary, and I am man enough to step up and admit that.

Thank-you. And on that note, that comment was not just unnecessary, it was incorrect. As a food additive, ethoxyquin is not banned in any part of the country. It is used in various raw ingredients destined for pet food, and it is still commonly used as an FDA approved color preservative in human grade food, including paprika, ground chili, and chili powder.

RD. wrote:

I myself also made a comment that was unnecessary, and I am man enough to step up and admit that.

Thank-you. And on that note, that comment was not just unnecessary, it was incorrect. As a food additive, ethoxyquin is not banned in any part of the country. It is used in various raw ingredients  destined for pet food, and it is still commonly used as an FDA approved color preservative in human grade food, including paprika, ground chili, and chili powder.

How about manning up on some of your unnecessary comments? Or are you not able to do that?

I stand behind each & every comment that I make on a public forum, here, and everywhere else. I have no problem manning up to that.

That is the answer I expected.

With that said, this is a thread regarding the Southern delight food, and anything other than that will be dealt with.

Have a great day RD.

O.k.
Didn't mean to get off topic. Just was concerned if this or any food had a toxic ingredient will look at all labals from now on.
As for the S.D. samples I got from you at the cartel, first I wanted to THANK YOU for comming all the way up there just to offer them to fishbox members!   I got a sample of the Veggie krill that day. I raise smaller fish than most here do and so far so good!  The 2mm pellets break up within a short period and seem to be digested within a few hours. They seem to take to it well and don't seem to be constipated like I've experienced from some other brands I've tried.
 So me and all 120 fish I keep give this a    

Thanks for your thoughts on it Livebearer.
I also got some Powerfeed and growth to try out. My fish took to it right away with no issues.

DMD123 wrote:
So with all the people that got free samples why are you not telling us your thoughts?

I haven't been using it long enough...
But for starters, I way overfed the first time!  I guess it was because I'm used to feeding a smaller pellet size.  I dropped some in the tank and it quickly disappeared, so I added more.  When I looked at the fish, they looked like they were all holding.   And because the pellets were larger, the fish made a bit of a mess chewing it up. There was a lot of poop after that first overfeeding and with later feedings I haven't noticed much of a difference from what I'm feeding now in amount -- just color.

For most of my fish, the pellet size of the Veggie Krill sample I picked up is too big.

I will review it soon. I have quite a bit coming soon. After reading so much on numerous foods, and hearing so much about all of the various foods that I haven't tried yet(beyond the ingredient list) , from the flowerhorn forum I belong to, I have to say I'm really hoping it pans out.

Kara, mine are chewing it up and expelling tiny little particles that are probably getting pulled into the filters.  I'm feeding it to a tank of adult mbuna.  It's not as bad since that first time giving them too much.   I think I'm going to give some to my plecos and see how they do.  I have all sizes and a bunch of shrimp in the tank.

Getting the right sized pellet is important especially with smaller fish. Seems that the 1.5mm pellets are a bit too big and Southern Delight does not currently have a smaller one. I have Australian rainbows that I would like to try a good pellet on but many are too large. There are a few out there that make a nice small sized community pellet but I still have flake to use up in the meantime.

I used to raise an Oscar, which are notorious as messy eaters. I was using small sized pellets up until it was about 10". Looked kind of ridiculous to see it eating them but kept way down on the mess because it was forced to swallow the pellets whole and not grind them up. I then made the mistake of going up to a larger pellet and then it would not eat the small ones and started to make a huge mess of things.

Hey if fed in moderation, ( a little bit at a time) they seem to eat it up readily! I raise fish with mouths too small for anything to eat but micro pellets. My 3 cichlids, 2 keyholes and 1 tailless Red point love it and won't give it for anything! I have tried lots of food on these fish and this one works well. Its a keeper!!

Madness wrote:That is the answer I expected.  

With that said, this is a thread regarding the Southern delight food, and anything other than that will be dealt with.  

Have a great day RD.

Well, until nls was brought up, it was about SD, I too stand by what I said, the very large issues of having all 4, soy, wheat, yeast and corn are an excellent example of why I feel the way about this food. Also the addition of any terrestrial animal matter should be frowned upon by any keeper of aquatic eating animals. Also, the horrible labeling should be corrected, so they actually fit in an appropriate order on an ingredient by ingredient bases, as per the industry standard, to me this is big indicator of hiding something.

Just like I said before NLS was brought up, to me those three, not one or even two but three, solid reasons for saying, this is a product I would strongly recommend against. Simply stating "this is a high quality food" means nothing until information is made easily available regarding the ACTUAL order of the individual ingredients, and, the major errors of using corn and poultry along with the several "fillers or binding aggents" is corrected.

I guess they could just say on the label, Veggie meal like most of the foods. But they choose to display their Veggie meal. If you ask the other food manufacturers what is in their veggie meal or their wheat meal, you will get answers like, "we cant give that information". Hmmm?

As for the Poultry, the food DOES NOT have poultry in it, it uses a part of the wing, a part that is rich in nutrients and is used also as a binding agent so that the food doesnt dissolve in the water, it stays whole. This is also beneficial when it comes to eating the food and digesting the food.

Your water is cleaner, your filtration is cleaner, and there is no smell like a lot of other brands.

You are welcome to your opinion on how you interpret the ingredients, and it is your choice if you want to try something new or not. If you would like to try it out I can get you some samples, then you can come back and give us your opinion. If you dont want to try it, that is your prerogative and your comments have been noted and passed on to the manufacturers.

Like with all new products, there are some growing pains. The thing that I like besides the ingredients, is that they listen to the consumer. So like I said, your concerns have been noted. Their food is always being improved upon, if you cant improve on what you have whether that be a product or knowledge than you will never grow.

All of the foods, Hikari, NLS, Omega1 all started off and had growing pains. This product is no different, and because of their willingness to give the consumer what they want, I have no doubt that Southern Delight will someday soon be in everyone's fish room.

So I have not used it enough to evaluate the 'waste' but I did find this from an actual user of the product: "OK, two weeks and 1/3 of a jar without a waterchange on the Trimacs and the tank doesn't have much build up. About a 1/4 of what I see using omega or nls. Proof its good stuff is in the poo, or lack of. Going to make this my staple food for fish with big appetites."

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I have been using another product with probiotics in it that claim reduction in waste but not really seeing any difference. I was not feeding that item exclusively since they actually market it for 'carnivores' and I have mostly 'herbivores'. Maybe if I were doing it exclusively it would have made a difference. I still need to come to my own conclusions on Southern Delight but I am willing to share my thoughts as I try this out.

It's not about the "meals" I dont know of many,  if any food that doesn't have some kind of "meal". Its the way the ingredients are clumped together in "products" that I am having an issue with. Here's an example,  xtreme first ingredients krill meal, fish meal, herring meal, shrimp meal etc. In doing it this way,  I know there is less shrimp meal then herring meal. The "poultry" is obviously incorrectly labeled.

With all of these....... things to the side, its cool to hear they listen to the consumer, reminds me of a company called finnex who, when putting out a specific light 'for plants' gathered together a group of well known,  knowledgeable people, and asked what they wanted in a plant light. Its a great idea, one that theoretically will produce a high quality product.

If me being a over skeptical,  and argumentative possible future consumer who currently supports what has been proven to be one of the best, if not the best food currently available,  produces a higher quality product. Then I don't mind being that guy, and, if I never switch foods, but my outcry for something better, produces a higher quality, or at minimum, properly labeled product, then I don't understand why anyone would. I care more about this hobby then peoples feelings, or a buisness, I care about the hobby. Furthermore, I would feel better purchasing or trading fish with another hobbyist that I know is feeding a high quality food.

And finally, if the food is ever proven to be better then what I feed, I wouldn't hesitate to switch. Cause for me, its all about the fish, not sales, or friends or some stupid reputation. If people hate me for speaking my mind, and my experience,  then so be it. Then so be it as I truly do not care. But, I will always demand better of anything that cannot meet or beat what I currently have (spoken like an audi owner)

Please leave reviews about the product. Saying you don't like the product but have not tried it is not a review. You must have used it to leave a review about a product.

The arguing in this thread is not productive.

That being said I better leave my own review.

I've used the nano krill in my store. Fish seemed to feed on it readily. I like the food. I however find the price point to be a bit high.

Thats stupid Cory, I can look at tiger barbs, read about them, watch some YouTube videos etc etc. And, going by the gathered information, write a perfectly honest and informative review of the species. The same is true about a fish food, just because I currently dont use it, doesn't mean that I cannot see both the good and the bad. Although, I would like a few samples, not to feed my fish, just to see the consistency and density of the pellets. Then Cory, then because I physically had the pellets, could I participate in the review conversation?

Would have just been easier to MOD the title of the topic, Southern Delight Promo (be nice to the new guys), but then, we wouldn't have a very good review of the product, but, it would be well promoted. Thanks Cory, you really know how to bring some charm to the party. And to think, I was being nice, trying to at least.

Anthony that is just blatant disrespect for a another fishbox member let alone the one who even makes this site possible for us all. Not cool!

Aquarium Co-Op wrote:Please leave reviews about the product. Saying you don't like the product but have not tried it is not a review. You must have used it to leave a review about a product.

Sorry D, but this? Your comment is specified towards me? I stand behind my comment. I dont have to use it to know its garbage. I can look at the ingredient list. And I dont care if I'm being "rude" to the purchaser of this forum. Some random dude, that opened a shop, bought a forum, and changed so much about it. None of that means anything to me. I liked getting discounts at all the stores I frequent, I liked that my knowledge used to be appreciated, I liked that being the 13th member of the site, meant that I was one of the first few people taught to mod, and givin those privileges and responsibilities. Not just whoever kisses Corys backside the best.

But Cory purchasing the site means all of that was stripped away. That coupled with Mr. Knowitall Shaun, shawn, sean or however he spells his name, now trying to use the forum to market crappy food so he can get it for free. Sorry D, but seriously?

Anthony, really? No need to sink to these lows.... We all get it, you love NLS, as nls was apparently  a personal gift from god.  But seriously, to alienate yourself from the rest of the forum by basically saying no one else matters is a strange approach to prove your point.... Maybe just stick to your YouTube Channel  (which I personally enjoy) to create a fish forum democracy of one.....I'm hoping that you are just dealing with some stuff we don't know about and that you come back to the Anthony I remember when I first joined...

Anthony Im sorry you are not a mod anymore but times have changed and yes this site has changed also. I have always felt this was a family friendly site for all ages (met earthfish yet?) but your kind of taking it up a notch to a not so friendly environment. I value your opinions and knowledge just remember the others who frequent these forums.

Anthony I dont know why you have issues and frankly now I dont care. I reached out to you several times in the past when you got upset and removed your membership, only to have you respond by being belligerent and out right nasty. Again I dont know where it went sideways with your attitude towards me, and now I really dont care, i did before but really dont now. But attacking other members just for the sake of flexing your cyber muscles is completely childish and just wrong. But I am kind of glad, because now everyone gets to see the true Anthony, the one I witnessed a few months ago.

Anthony J's account has been suspended. Unfortunately we let many statements slide in the hopes that it would end on a better note. Being a long time contributor to the forum and generally being a wealth of information we gave him extra room. These last few responses however have left our hands tied.

Please continue this thread with Southern Delight Food reviews.

To help get this topic back on track ..... I have the power feed, large cichlid, small cichlid, and growth foods in bulk anticipated to be at my doorstep early next week. I will feed the exclusively and share my results from day 1 to 10......

I would suggest much tighter modification in the future. All posts not related to Southern Delight fish food(including this one) should be deleted. Anthony was way out of line!

Looking forward to some long term results. Keep us posted Lloyd.

So Ive been using the product for about 5 days now and can comment a bit more on some things.

I will start with cleanliness of the product.
I have been feeding a mix of the Powerfeed (3.0mm), Growth (3.0mm) and Cichlid pellet (5.0mm). The Cichlid pellet is pretty large (5.0mm) and my fish do have a pretty small mouth so they grind it a little which causes some floating debris. So I know if I stuck with this size I would have some mess, but this I can deal with because it leaves far less mess than the former pellet I was feeding. Seems like I have less of the ring around the tank as I did with my other products. I do notice however a oil slick effect when I feed but I have not had any food that did not seem to leave a residue when it hit the surface of the water so no real difference there.

The bottom of the can also does not seem to have a lot of powder residue. This just makes for a cleaner product with less mess. If it does not rub off in the container it most likely will not leave as much mess in your tank.

Waste production seems to be reduced also. Because it is a new food and been trying to see results... I have been a bit heavy handed in my feeding. This has been a good test to see what waste production would be like. Seems like they are not making as much of a mess as what I was previously feeding. Not noticed a runny type waste but not a solid either, if that makes any sense. Kind of reminds me when we humans eat fiber in the diet, things just go smoother.

I would like to comment on an increase in color but really I have fish that are not ever going to be 'colorful'. My silver dollars are pretty plain but I do have one that has red spotting that my wife commented on the other day as having more bright red. I can not contribute this to the food at this point due to the fact I just added new LED lighting and went from plain lighting to a full spectrum. My Pearsei is an iridescent green and has shown no loss in color with the new food.

So I still have another 5 days of exclusive feeding to go with this but so far results are good. I still have other brands to finish up so most likely will mix the Southern Delight in with them but may consider a full switch when I run out of the other stuff.

Good initial report. Thanks D.

Just got my bulk order of food, I was pleasantly surprised that they hooked me up wth extras since my shipment got delayed. Here is was I got in the pound sized amounts

I ordered:
Small cichlid 1mm
Large cichlid 5mm
Power feed. 3mm
Growth formula 3mm
They hooked me up with:
1lb tropical pellet 1mm
1lb veggie /krill 2ish mm
Sandwich sized bag of unity flakes



So far, I tried the growth food in my 125(fish range from 3"-12") fish attacked it like they have had it before..... Impressive splashes at the top of the tank. So for taking this specific formula, my fish didn't hesitate. I will be trying the other types in different tanks. Let you know later tonight how he fish liked he others