A sad day in the Madness house

Over the past week I have noticed that a lot of my pairs have been having issues. (marital spats) Pairs that have been together for a few years, suddenly the males are turning on the females. Just in the last week I have had to divide 5 of my pairs, and everyone of them have been great together with no issues. I think its the Moon.  

Anyway, I went out into the fishroom yesterday and found my WC 15" Costa Rican Blue female Dovii laying in the corner. I quickly removed her and placed her into a quarantine tank. This morning she was dead.   

Damn males.    

So my male will be flying solo for a while until I am able to find me another WC Coasta Rican Blue female.   

Anyone else been dealing with male aggression the past week or so?

Sorry to hear!  

She was pretty beat on but I hoped she would pull through. The big guy will probably have a big growth spurt now that he has nothing else to do...

The last time a big pleco ticked me off.. I gave him a "time out" on the lawn for 10 min.

Sorry for your loss though.

I've had the opposite..... I have babies in my umbee tank, and yesterday morning I moved my 6-7" Dovii into a tank that housed my 4-5" Midas from dmd(which I think is a girl) when I got home from work last night, my male Dovii was bobbing up and down and this morning he was dead!

lloyd378 wrote:yesterday morning I moved my 6-7" Dovii into a tank that housed my 4-5" Midas from dmd(which I think is a girl) when I got home from work last night, my male Dovii was bobbing up and down and  this morning he was dead!

The midas beat up the dovii? My midas has not peeled and shows no aggression yet...

ive noticed in my paired discus, the female has been black the past two days. shes been sloughing off her slime coat, so I don't know if theres in spots underneath, I started medicating today just in case.

I recently did a water change, she went black after that, the male is his normal blue+blood red. all other fish in the tank are normal,

not sure whats wrong with my female, I call it "non-specific *****-up-itus" don't know the best treatment

this is not the tank that had the lane mountain sand an a string of mysterious fish deaths. water params couldn't be that bad because up until she ate them, her eggs experienced not much more than a normal mortality rate

Aw, that's sad. Did you have her for a long time?

Betty wrote:Aw, that's sad.  Did you have her for a long time?  

Both of them were caught together. I have had them for 3 years and the guy I bought them from had them for a year

she was a great looking dovii and the above information that you just shared makes it even worse!!! once you track down another female, what's your plan for reintroduction of a tankmate? eggcrate or? thinking that your big male could go through an eggcrate like it wasn't even there.

honestly I have no idea. Since she's been gone, it's like he's a new person (fish). He is so active and interacts with me the entire time I am out there. its hard to explain he just seems relaxed. When you've had a fish that long you definitely can tell when it's different.

Might be time to set up the 300 for him and his new girl....

He would make an excellent wet pet if you want to dedicate a solo tank to him.

Madness, and all you others losing fish... truly sorry that has happened to your fish. I hate losing favorites, too.

Madness wrote:honestly I have no idea. Since she's been gone, it's like he's a new person (fish).  He is so active and interacts with me the entire time I am out there.  its hard to explain he just seems relaxed. When you've had a fish that long you definitely can tell when it's different.

Sorry Madness,

In the wild do Dovii stay paired for life?

Maybe he just couldn't take her abuse anymore and went all Oxygen channel on her.

Sorry for your loss

Sad news here everyone.  I lost my favorite male gold zebra male a week or so ago...sudden illness not aggression. I'd only had him a year and I was devastated.  Cried all day (my daughter said...its a fish...my husband understood).  I cannot imagine how I would have felt if I had had him for 3 years Madness...I'm so sorry.  I have two other WC zebra gold males but I'm not sure either of them will be able to take the place of my most favorite guy.

Jessikins wrote:Maybe he just couldn't take her abuse anymore and went all Oxygen channel on her.

 I think it was more 'Court TV' or 'Lifetime' special.....

sorry for your losses everyone. that really sucks.

The Autumnal Equinox is fast approaching, maybe there is something to that whole Moon theory.

Sorry to hear that Madness ... were they from Mel's pair?

Sorry to hear of your loss Madness...that is always tough to take. I lost a large female umbee a few weeks ago to a psycho male.

dwarfpike wrote:Sorry to hear that Madness ... were they from Mel's pair?

No. Mels are Nicaraguan. Mine are WC Costa Rican Blues.

mrmann wrote:Sorry to hear of your loss Madness...that is always tough to take. I lost a large female umbee a few weeks ago to a psycho male.

Thanks Mike, its going to be tough finding another WC CR female. Those dang males can snap on a dime.    

Madness wrote:honestly I have no idea. Since she's been gone, it's like he's a new person (fish).  He is so active and interacts with me the entire time I am out there.  its hard to explain he just seems relaxed. When you've had a fish that long you definitely can tell when it's different.

This is exactly what happened when Big D the Umbee waxed his female a couple weeks ago. He is such a cool/different fish now that I'm leaning against trying another female. I feel you though! It happens so fast that it is really hard to save them most the time.

I have had to split three of my pairs up and might have to do it to another pair so the moon you think I was wonderin what was causing all these problems. Sorry to here about you female man..ill keep an eye out for a female

I 100% agree that the moon had to be the contributing factor to lead so many fish to act crazy. I also noticed an increased aggression level in my students this week. Must have been a super moon, though, to have so many pair snap...... these are some sad stories all around this post.

I had a heater malfunction and lost 4 baby gold angel and three moonlight gouramis I had intended to breed. Not aggression but still hard to deal with. Also had a breeding pair of kribs kill a male and this tank is very long. They want the whole damn tank which is odd. I once had the same tank colonized with 10 fish with no problem. Just one of those days.

Maybe we should expect an earthquake.

Madness, sorry for your loss!!! I AM HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM!!! My male is just pyscho nuts right now! I had to take him out of the tank, left him our for 3 days, put him back in with my female and fry, put a divider up. He broke through the divider and started fighting with my female again! I get a text from my brother last night "dood they're fighting again"... I'm just glad I have someone home at all times to give me a heads up. Kinda sucks though when your at work and have to try to go home to play fish god...

Might be the Harvest moon, I noticed the full moon was huge in the western sky Thursday morning.

Oh, and last week was Friday the 13th... beware of fish wearing hockey masks.

Madness wrote:Over the past week I have noticed that a lot of my pairs have been having issues. (marital spats)    Pairs that have been together for a few years, suddenly the males are turning on the females.  Just in the last week I have had to divide 5 of my pairs, and everyone of them have been great together with no issues.  I think its the Moon.  

Anyway, I went out into the fishroom yesterday and found my WC 15" Costa Rican Blue female Dovii laying in the corner.  I quickly removed her and placed her into a quarantine tank.  This morning she was dead.     

Damn males.    

So my male will be flying solo for a while until I am able to find me another WC Coasta Rican Blue female.   

Anyone else been dealing with male aggression the past week or so?

Sorry for your loss. In fact I did tell you that my large Bifa has been on the rampage this past week in my large tank. I agree with you, maybe it's the moon  

Same kind of week here. I have my big female Coatzacoalco in hospital re growing fins and scales. Male just flipped out on her. Nearly lost a hecklii to the same cause and the gold Dovii now have a separator that only the female can get through. All to sudden, non characteristic violence.

Male gold is approach 18" now madness.

bassetman wrote:Same kind of week here. I have my big female Coatzacoalco in hospital re growing fins and scales. Male just flipped out on her. Nearly lost a hecklii to the same cause and the gold Dovii now have a separator that only the female can get through. All to sudden, non characteristic violence.

Male gold is approach 18" now madness.

Dang, that boy has put on some size quick. Have a recent pic of him?

Madness wrote:

dwarfpike wrote:Sorry to hear that Madness ... were they from Mel's pair?

No. Mels are Nicaraguan.  Mine are WC Costa Rican Blues.

Oh, I saw blue and automatically thought Nics ... more of a SA guy, thought the Costa Ricans were golds. Didn't know they had blues down there too.

Yea, they are not that common which is why it will be very difficult to find a female. If you look at my male and compare it with a Nic male, there are several distinct differences, but you cant really see them unless you are looking at them side by side, or you own one type and then see the other type.

Madness wrote:Yea, they are not that common which is why it will be very difficult to find a female.  If you look at my male and compare it with a Nic male, there are several distinct differences, but you cant really see them unless you are looking at them side by side, or you own one type and then see the other type.

That might explain it. I try not to look at cichlids too large for my tanks. It's kind of looking at that giant sized TV you know you can't afford.  

dwarfpike wrote:

Madness wrote:Yea, they are not that common which is why it will be very difficult to find a female.  If you look at my male and compare it with a Nic male, there are several distinct differences, but you cant really see them unless you are looking at them side by side, or you own one type and then see the other type.

That might explain it. I try not to look at cichlids too large for my tanks. It's kind of looking at that giant sized TV you know you can't afford.  

You can always afford it..... credit card  

Ive always appreciated that madness does not mix up his cichlids. His F1's are real from WC parents and not some mutt fish.

DMD123 wrote:Ive always appreciated that madness does not mix up his cichlids. His F1's are real from WC parents and not some mutt fish.

That's really cool. For the most part, it seems CA keepers don't have the same sense of keeping their cichlids pure that dwarf, westie, and Victorian keepers do from what I've seen on various forums.

I will get some pics in a few days. These are a few months old.they are in the pond right now and hard to get pics but they have to come in soon so pics in a few. Anyone interested I have a bunch of f1 fry about 2" come on over and catch what you want.

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Madness wrote:honestly I have no idea. Since she's been gone, it's like he's a new person (fish).  He is so active and interacts with me the entire time I am out there.  its hard to explain he just seems relaxed. When you've had a fish that long you definitely can tell when it's different.

Sorry for your loss bro. I had the same thing happen to me last month. Male just went nuts and took out his girl. And just like you explained, male is totally a different fish. He is now super active and always following me around. He never used to do that before. Weird.

Hope you're able to find a mate soon.

He almost lets me hand feed him now. I think that I am going to work on seeing I can interact with him inside the water, like if he will let me pet him.  

I mean he already gives a big kiss. LOL When I put my finger up to the glass he tries to attack it, but when I put my face up to the glass he comes up to it and just opens his mouth and puts it on the glass, he doesnt attack or pop at the glass when I do that. I guess you'd have to see it. LOL

If he lets you pet him he deserves a name!

anthony wrote:If he lets you pet him he deserves a name!

Perfect  

Madness, im looking for umbee or festae Wc

Madness, im looking for umbee or festae Wc

You will not find the so called named "Gorillas Umbee" as a WC, only as F1 and below. These Umbee were caught by Chris AKA 'UmbeeKing', at which time he spawned them and produced thousands of off spring. Chris is an avid Umbee collector and he gives all of the Umbee he catches a different sub title. They are all just Umbee, but he gives the names like Gorilas, general, to clarify to him which pair they came from, he does have blue and black Umbee. I myself am selling 2" F2 black Umbee, originating from his original WC pair.

If you want WC Rio Mag Umbee, I can order them for you. They will be 7" and will cost you $150 ea plus $30 shipping(which would be half the actual cost). Gage a friend of mine just informed me that he is bringing in 100 of these from Columbia. If you want them I would need $330 up front before I order them. Decide quickly because they are going fast. I will be ordering from him also.

As for Festae, I can get you a WC male and female not necessarily a pair. They also will run you around $100-$150 ea, they are around the 5-7" mark.

Understand that the 2 fish you are seeking are very expensive when purchased as a WC specie. I just sold a 9" male WC festae this morning for $175 and a 5" female for $70.

you sold one of your females????? say it isn't so....... BTW, i will be coming by early next month to buy a couple of your festae fry (the bigger ones)

No sir, i still have my main 2. If I can ever get yours and my male to get it on.