Can you find this?

Trying to find a vendor that carries it, no luck at all yet.
Tried:
aquarist world - did not have
Jeff Rapps - did not have
APFP - did not have (did have a few years ago)
Sumner LFS (forgot name) - never heard of it
Sierra - still waiting to hear back
Wet Spot - did not have


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Any ideas?

Amphilophus macracanthus
or Cichlasoma macracanthus if you work at aquarist world??

Got most everyone covered where I'd look, when worst comes to worst when looking for something in particuliar there's a store in Corvallis, OR that the owner can get stuff out of Europe that I go to, The owners name is Dale at the Animal House

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A few months old and you would have to order them....

Talk about a rare find!

cool! I emailed him, we will see.

The Macracanthus is in the Astatheros genus, Common names: Blackthroat cichlid.

This comes from Juan founder of the Cichlid Room Campanion:

Conservation: Astatheros macracanthus is not evaluated by the international union for the conservation of nature in the iucn red list of threatened speciesAstatheros macracanthus is not listed in the Mexican Official Norm NOM-059-ECOL-2001. The habitat remains stable in most of its range.

Comments: Astatheros macracanthus was initially placed in the genus Heros Heckel, 1840 by Albert Günther. Jacques Pellegrin (1904) described the monotypic genus Astatheros Pellegrin, 1904, for the previously described species Heros (Cichlasoma) heterodontus Vaillant & Pellegrin, 1902, synonym of Astatheros macracanthus. Tate Regan (1905), established Astatheros as a section for Cichlasoma. It turns out that the weak diagnosis of Astatheros plus the common traits of A. macracanthus with the members of the genus Amphilophus), finally ended in the proposal of this species as a member of Amphilophus by Warren Burgess (2000).

On the other side, Darrin Hulsey from the University of California-Davis, in a mitochondrial DNA study (Hulsey et al, 2004) recognizes the possible monophyletic nature of Astatheros macracanthus. In this uncertain scenario, I have chosen to maintain Burgess' view for Astatheros macracanthus until more data is available to support Astatheros as a monotypic, a multi-species or an invalid genus.

So is it officially Astatheros now? Most of the places i looked showed it as Amphilophus, a few older ones show as cichlasoma. When did Astatheros happen?

Astatheros macracanthus was initially placed in the genus Heros Heckel, 1840 by Albert Günther. Jacques Pellegrin (1904) described the monotypic genus Astatheros Pellegrin,

It turns out that the weak diagnosis of Astatheros plus the common traits of A. macracanthus with the members of the genus Amphilophus), finally ended in the proposal of this species as a member of Amphilophus by Warren Burgess (2000).

Did you not read the post above your last. LOL

It has not officially been moved, it was proposed in 2000. But just like the Robertsoni where some still think that they are in the Amph genus and Festae still in the Amph genus. They are not.

Juan Miguel Artigas Azas is a huge voice when it comes to Cichlids. Through him is where I learned that the specie Synspilus no longer exists and is now considered a variant of Melanurus.
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I read it but once i read the part where it said, "...ended in the proposal of this species as a member of amphilophus...(2000)" I wasn't sure where you were going. It says Juan is supporting Burgess in his last sentence, and Burgess is the one who proposed to make it an amphilophus?

"In this uncertain scenario, I have chosen to maintain Burgess' view for Astatheros macracanthus until more data is available to support Astatheros as a monotypic, a multi-species or an invalid genus."

"proposal of this species as a member of Amphilophus by Warren Burgess (2000)."

Am I missing something?

I guess maintain that his proposal is legit, but until Astatheros is determined an invalid species, it will remain in Astatheros.

I am going to send him an email to clarify exactly as to what is going on with the genus and this fish.

thanks!

A. Alfari looks really cool too, but i cant find them either.

Here is his response.

Dear Shawn,

You are right, it is confusing as the profile suffered a couple of modifications since it was first written. I was cautiously considering macracanthus in Amphilophus following Kullander and later Burguess unsupported views but them after Roe (1997) more evidence became available with Rican (2008, and an unpublished work) and it became clear the unique nature of Astatheros macracanthus. I just made a quick correction to the profile to avoid further confusion but will soon update it to reflect current views more widely. So I think it is pretty safe nowadays to refer to it as Astatheros macracanthus. Thanks for your comments

Ríčan, Oldřich & R. Zardoya & I. Doadrio. 2008. "Phylogenetic relationships of Middle American cichlids (Cichlidae, Heroini) based on combined evidence from nuclear genes, mtDNA and morphology". Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution. 49: 941-957.

Roe, K.J. & D. Conkel & C. Lydeard. 1997. "Molecular systematics of Middle American cichlid fishes and the evolution of trophic-types in ‘Cichlasoma (Amphilophus)’ and ‘C. (Thorichthys)’". Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution. 7(3): pp. 366-376

Juan Miguel Artigas Azas
Site Editor
The Cichlid Room Companion
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nice!

thanks

So back on track. I will see if I can find one.

And this thread right here is what keeping new world cichlids is all about.. thanks guys.

just by looking at the photo i woulda guessed that to be a carpintis-type cichlid. heres a pic of one in non breeding coloration.

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both photos are amazing