Was being sold as a Jack Dempsey

This fish was at a fish store in the Dempsey tank, and they were trying to say that it was a Dempsey. I don't think so, I told them. They said yes it is, so I bought it just to see what it may turn out to be. You never know, right?





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Thanks for your help on this one.

Post a few pics of the face.

It's an American cichlid. Maybe Trimac or Flowerhorn ?
NOT a Jack Dempsey (LFS and their ignorance, so funny)

from the pic looks like a flowerhorn

I never saw a flowerhorn like that.... it has a really bright orange... almost like a firemouth... crazy! looks pretty sweet.... Are the eyes pink? red? where is all our south american & New world cichlid experts in here?!

Dempsey sell super cheap, bet you got it for a great price then right? mind if I ask how much?

Trimacs have red bellies. Could be a flowerhorn (w/ trimac genes)
looks like it has red eyes (more trimac genes)

i see the orange now donno how i missed that

more pics of front and side and we will get it

How about convict females and there super bright orange belly when breeding... that kinda reminded me of it when I saw your fish.... Kinda faded vertical lines too..... So, although i am really no good at S. American and New world cichlids, Im gonna take a stabb and say Cross Flowerhorn - convict.... Hopefully we get some more opinions on this one though. Im super curious what it really is.
(attached pic of female convict w/ orange and vertical lines)

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ive never seen a red eyed, green firemouth though.... lol, maybe firemouth cross green terror?? lol... This is making me crazy!

I will try and get more pics of it, my camera battery died. It might be tomorrow morning before I can.

It is in my 135 with my 10" , 7" & 4" Dempsey's and 2 - 4" Firemouths, and 3 - 6" Red devils. I also have 2 Jags 1.5", in there and it sort of hangs out with them. Though they do go after it at times, but it doesn't back down. It is definitely an aggressive little snot.

On a different note, Have any of you ever seen a yellow Red Devil? I will post a pic of that also.

Just curious.

Oh, I paid $6 for it. I figured it may be well worth it.

Well I tried to get some pics on a little battery juice. I swear whenever I want to take pictures, the Red Devils always have to get into the pic. Well, I ran out of battery trying. It will have to be tomorrow.

But, I did notice that the eyes do have red in them, as do all of the fins. They have a red tint to them, while the body is a touch of yellowish.

So, while you all stew over that and wait patiently for me to post another pic. Let me know what you all think of my Yellow red Devil. Is it a Red devil or is it something else? I was told it was wild caught.

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How big is it ?

definetly a red devil.... White and yellow are not really common for red devils, but they are out there.... You see more peach, pink, orange, orange/white mix I think are the more common ones. I know bassman had a bunch of amp. so he is the master on these guys, actually waiting for his opinion on the first guy too.

if you got it from pet smart i think its a fire-mouth i have seen them mixed in with the Dempseys many times now

Red devils come in all sorts of colors. There's even a blue devil. Check Jeff Rapps out at tangledupincichlids.com I believe he even has a wild white female. I have a F1 red devil that I purchased from him not to long ago.

Here we go. I got a couple more pics. I have 2 Firemouths and 2 Helleris, this is somewhat similar but yet so different. Today it took on my Jag and the Jag backed down. The Jag is 2.5" and this guy is just over an inch, maybe 1.5"

The Yellow Devil of mine is about 6".



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Great pictures.... but I will tell you I am more confused than before! lol, I would say a hybrid cross of something.... I have never seen anything before like it.... thats why Im thinkin a cross hybrid.

I think it's an Amphilophous (Red Devil Type) of some sort. You are just going to have to wait and see how it colors up.

i am at a loss now keep us posted would like to know

Well here are a couple updated pics on my Petsmart special.


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Looks like a green firemouth.... Dont think they even exist, but thats all I can see... I really think he/she is super cool lookin though.

I agree with bassman. Looks like a barred amp that is peeling.

Well here is a couple updated pics of my PetSmart unknown. It is starting to look like a wonderful Red Devil.

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WOW, that really changed big time!

Yes it did. I am a bit disappointed. I kinda figured it was a form of Red Devil, but was hoping for something cool. Who knows, it still may continue to change, and end up looking really cool.

The eyes are no longer red either. They changed to BLACK. Kinda creepy looking.

It looks like a nice Red Devil, too bad it peeled all the black off though. Still nice pick up!

Now that is a cool collection of before and after pictures. Well done Madness. Thanks for sharing those and maybe throw in an update as the fella gets bigger.

I am almost behind the green terror x firemouth theory, but the barring is so perfect it makes me wonder if it is it's own species. I would try and find a forum with tons of central americans and post some pics, or a find a list of central american pics and start comparing.

Except the new pictures are 100% red devil! I just cant believe the color change between the original pictures and the new pictures..... cause yeah, green terror x firemouth is all I saw in that first pic.

Wow, I missed those new pics! Crazy. Anyone have some other pics of Juvie Red Devils? That's quite the change. Cool looking fish. OB devil ?

Its a baby red devil. I got to watch a bunch of them grow up in my lfs and thats the standard change they make.

Ya, you should see him/her now. Big change. I will go take a couple pics and post them in a bit.

Fern wrote:Its a baby red devil. I got to watch a bunch of them grow up in my lfs and thats the standard change they make.

And now there is no doubt !

Ok here it is.

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Definitely changed.

Oh wait, wrong pic. That's my new Red Devil. I hope the white remains. Here is the little guy as of today.

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Yep, this him/her.....

Those black eyes are so creepy. I love it! and I like the white/orange guy too.... my favorite is white midas/red devils

I wish I had looked at this topic earlier! Bulldogg7 on another forum that I'm on takes incredible pictures and has been updating with shots of his red devils and their babies so you can follow along on the changes. Here's a link to page 10 ... [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

WOW..... Thanks for the link. Those are amazing pictures. I am going to find out how to take pics that good. I promise you.

At least I am going to try.

Yeah those are some great shots especially at the end.

I had no clue they came out green and so dirty lookin when young.... Its awesome! and yeah, those shots are very sweet..... need a good DSLR camera for that...

Well they need to camo in the wild when they are young so it makes sense.
Looking very nice!

I had a fish last year that looked very similar called a Thoricthys Aureum Red. This is a Central American fish, much like a Firemouth, with less of the red on the bottom and more on the side. The red will become more pronounced as it matures. Oh good! I found the picture of it. I was hoping I saved it. This one is about 4-5 inches. The previous owner told me is was wild caught and he thought it was a female
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Nice looking fish. Here is a picture of mine today.

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Definitely a red dev.

Wow! His colors changed a lot!

i say its a hybrid of somthing and a firemouth

oh kool a firehorn

100% red devil he looks great now!

wow no kidding a big change.

learned something new here,,,,thanks

I had a nice flower horn huge kok bought as african adult I knew though

aquaman, this is a super old thread... and I dont even know what you said. It makes no sence... LMAO