Non-Kinking Water Changing Hose?

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-26, 23:47

Gotta find more. The one I have is like 50ft, but still too short for my needs. I'm still reluctant with buying just any hose, because the ones I've had in the past have all kinked on me, and becomes quite frustrating doing water changes that way.

There is one hose that I like (it's my 50ft one) that kinda has a rubbery feel to it, REALLY flexible, and doesn't kink, unlike the ones that have almost a plastic-y feel to it and kinks at the slightest bend... if that makes any sense...

I'm trying to find the same type of hose that I can add to this one, or just buy one super long one... as long as it doesn't kink, and is super flexible.

Anywho, any info would totally help Smile

fishNAbowl 2014-05-27, 00:03

50 FOOT ISNT ENOUGH!?! Very Happy

In my 1st home I had a 50 footer. Used quick connects connected to my washer's hot/cold lines. Just snapped the hose into the Y and strung the hose through the house. Those where the days...

The hose I used was really good about not kinking. It was a couple dollars more than the green garden hoses. It was made out of rubber. I believe it was sold as a non kink hose made by Goodyear found at Home Depot. Not sure of the lengths these are sold, at the lest you could put a couple together. I cut the length I needed then pushed the gravel sucker on then used a zip tie to keep it on. It worked great. The zip tie held well. The gravel sucker never slipped off. I think I still have about 10' left just in case I need a high flow siphon for the 140 which now has an auto water changer installed.

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 00:12

Well, I do water changes in my tanks in the garage, and there isn't a sink there, because the garage is an entirely different "building" that's not connected to the house, so I basically have to run the hose through the bathroom window, to refill them. lol... I'd rather run them through the doors, because taking off the screens on the windows in the bathroom AND the windows in the garage, are so tedious =P

fishNAbowl 2014-05-27, 00:16

The rubber hose from Goodyear would work great for draining and filling. That's what I used mine for. Don't think it ever kinked on me unless I kinked it myself to stop siphon.

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 00:16

lol! Good to know, I'll have to see if I can find it here. Smile

I'm assuming that this is it?? . . . too bad it's only 50ft Sad

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**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 00:25

..........Now I want THIS!!! OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!

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... on another note, it does seem a bit sketchy, like not durable... but who knows? I'm currently looking for reviews on it. And $50 for 75ft? Not bad. Not. Bad.

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Lots of lame reviews. So...scratch that.

fishNAbowl 2014-05-27, 00:26

Yeah, I think that's it. I was in the same position as you with the kinking. Also using a hose like this gives you the option to put in a ball valve on the working end so your not running back and forth to the faucet turning on and off the water. I had a bad experience with those clear hoses found at the LFS. I tried stopping the water at the tank end and the hose split, water everywhere...

fishNAbowl 2014-05-27, 00:27

PokeSephiroth wrote:..........Now I want THIS!!! OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!!!

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... on another note, it does seem a bit sketchy, like not durable... but who knows? I'm currently looking for reviews on it. And $50 for 75ft? Not bad. Not. Bad.

My neighbor uses one for outside watering. He likes it.

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 00:34

hmmmmmmmmmm..........

in theory it's cool... man... last thing I need, is for that hose to break while I'm doing a water change, and start leaking water through the hose, and into my house. LOL.

fishNAbowl 2014-05-27, 00:36

The Goodyear hose would never split. It was kind of heavy though...

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 00:37

That's one of the deal breakers... I can't lug around 100ft of heavy hose. LOL...

fishNAbowl 2014-05-27, 00:45

Hmmmmmm...... That's very true. Mr Goodyear would be rather bulky at 100'. Even at 50' it was a small chore to lay out. But what I was working with before that was much worse with the kinking, and the splitting. I used the largest diameter garden hose I could find. It makes for a quicker drain.

Maybe someone else may chime in with other ideas Smile

Denizaari 2014-05-27, 00:55

So here's a thought. Don't lug it around...get a garden hose thing that normal people wrap their hose around. When I say normal, I mean it's an outside thing. Yours I'm sure will be apart of your living room dećor..;0)

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 00:59

Denizaari wrote:So here's a thought. Don't lug it around...get a garden hose thing that normal people wrap their hose around. When I say normal, I mean it's an outside thing. Yours I'm sure will be apart of your living room dećor..;0)

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**Betty** 2014-05-27, 10:20

This is a non-kink hose that's lighter in weight. I've never used it and can't recommend it, but you can research it a little as a possibility. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

It doesn't say anything about being safe to drink from. I used to use an RV hose because people were saying it wasn't safe to use a regular garden hose to fill the fish tanks due to the chemicals or something used in the materials.

I use every last inch of my 50 ft. Python!

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 10:36

Thanks Betty! I was thinking that the rubbery hose that I have is a python hose... does yours ever kink at all? Or does it have that rubbery feel to it?

**Betty** 2014-05-27, 11:08

My Python never kinks. I guess it could be described as rubbery feeling. It kind of sticks to itself. It's clear. I absolutely hate coiling it up because of that way it clings if you try to slide it across itself. But it sure beats carrying buckets or storing a big RV or garden hose. They sell extensions for the Python's.

DMD123 2014-05-27, 11:16

My Python hose also is very flexible. There are different types of tubing that they sell in the hardware stores but most of those are pretty thin walled and kink easily. The stuff Python uses is a much better tubing and seems the only comparable stuff Ive found is the stuff made for aquarium filter tube replacement made by Lee's. They also make a black pond tubing that is very flexible.

KaraWolf 2014-05-27, 11:20

I use that clear hose you can gettin at home depot in 20' lenghts. Ducttaped 2 together and run it out the front door. Haven't had it kink yet but it likes to hold the coiled shape too much for my liking. That and the new house needs more then 40' >> and a different sink adaptor. I'm back to the bucket birgade for refilling D:

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 14:22

I only really experience "kinking" where the hose touches the top border of the tank, while I'm siphoning out water, due to the negative pressure that's in there... it kinda just "flattens" out, and that eventually causes the kinks.... I've seen people using zip ties to prevent any further kinking issues, but that ends up becoming more of a tedious thing to deal with, because the ends of those zipties are notorious for making scratches/wounds on my hands, if you don't cut the plastic pieces properly, or round them off. Sad

And yeah, the hoses that can be bought at Home Depot/Lowes tends to keep its coil, which I do not enjoy, hahaha

**Madness** 2014-05-27, 15:15

You can easily fix that by attaching the hose to a piece of PVC pipe and use that. The picture may explain it better. [img][You must be registered and logged in to see this link.][/img]

DMD123 2014-05-27, 15:16

I made the same set up to fill my tank

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 15:17

That's what we use at Aquarium Co-Op... I might end up going that approach... who knows.
I just need a longer hose, really... and just preferred it to be kink-free or at least kink resistant.

**Madness** 2014-05-27, 15:20

I need one that doesnt leak. I want to do the same thing that FishnaBowl did, by hooking to a Y in my laundry room but my hoses (every hose) leaks. Not at the threads part but where the threaded part attaches to the metal part that is crimped around the hose.

**Madness** 2014-05-27, 15:21

Oh and if you did cold water changes you wouldnt have to run a hose to your sink, you could use your outside faucet. Very Happy

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 15:30

Yeah... I don't do cold water changes, other wise, I would have been using the garden hose for doing water changes in my garage. Hehehehe!!

Also, oddly enough, the garden hose in the back yard has this ODD ... soapy smell to it, I can't really describe it, but it definitely does NOT smell fish safe, that's for sure.

**Madness** 2014-05-27, 15:35

You know your fish would live longer if you did. Just saying, but its your choice if you want to keep having your fish ingest and swim in all of those toxins that come from your hot water tank. Wink

Drd62 2014-05-27, 16:08

Amen, a lot of people don't realize that their hot water tanks can hold quite a bit of sediment which ingested over a period of time will affect the health of your fish. Good point to bring to people Shawn... Laughing

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 16:12

Different strokes for different folks. Smile

**Madness** 2014-05-27, 16:30

Dont mean to derail Poke, but this is a serious topic. You can give that half assed sarcastic response all you want, and when your fish only live half of their expected lives you can look back at that sarcastic comment. Its responses like I have seen today that cause me to stay away from this forum. And all I am trying to do is help you and others. Why is it so many people are to stubborn or set in their ways and refuse to look outside their bubble?

I have a close friend who for the past 5+ years has been going down hill fast health wise. Doctors could not find the reason why. Until they tested there water. The same metals that are polluting your fish were polluting her. She is now much more healthy & basically not dieing. This is just one story of health issues due to metals in the water. Do some reading you may change that sarcastic response.

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 16:40

Looks like I will try the Python approach. If anything, I can just buy another 50ft extension and connect it with my existing hose.
Still open to other suggestions though. Or Marina. Decisions, decisions... bounce

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Drd62 2014-05-27, 16:44

I opted not to respond because I'm giving my own opinion. Being a fish hobbyist for many years I used tepid to warm water changes not realizing I was doing more harm to my fish ie: potentially shortening the life span of my fish. Since I changed to solely cold water changes a few years back I noticed my fish responded very well to it and has more then likely affected their health in a positive manner. I, like madness have a sizable investment in my stock and if some one who probably hasn't had to go through trials and tribulations gives a sarcastic & ignorant response, that's their perocative!!

**MRTom** 2014-05-27, 17:11

I agree with the cold water changes being cleaner, as well as more efficient from an electric bill point of view! Hobby is expensive enough as it is!

I guess the one thing I would add is most materials will age after a while, and if you always use the same end of the hose in the tank, it will eventually kink, unless you make a nice adapter like the one posted earlier. I find that you can do behavioral changes that reduce kink related annoyances, like draping the hose over a tall piece of furniture to avoid kinks, and rolling the hose while draining it to make storage easier and avoid struggling with sticky hose.

Then there is the option of warming up the hose by dumping it in a bucket of boiling water... though this may be a little hard to do unless you have home brewing equipment too Very Happy

ShortyKiloGyrl 2014-05-27, 17:19

What about vinyl tubing? It is drinkable water safe. That's what I use and you can get it in long lengths and if you get a thicker wall to it it doesn't kink much. This is what I use for my 50' length but it comes in large rolls up to 100' and is relatively cheap. I added an emergency shut off valve in line (which makes a spray mess in the kitchen but is much easier than run over in the tank spilling on the carpet) I like Madness' idea with the hook over the side pvc piping!

ShortyKiloGyrl 2014-05-27, 17:31

MRTom wrote:I agree with the cold water changes being cleaner, as well as more efficient from an electric bill point of view! Hobby is expensive enough as it is!

I guess the one thing I would add is most materials will age after a while, and if you always use the same end of the hose in the tank, it will eventually kink, unless you make a nice adapter like the one posted earlier. I find that you can do behavioral changes that reduce kink related annoyances, like draping the hose over a tall piece of furniture to avoid kinks, and rolling the hose while draining it to make storage easier and avoid struggling with sticky hose.

Then there is the option of warming up the hose by dumping it in a bucket of boiling water... though this may be a little hard to do unless you have home brewing equipment too

When I bought my vinyl tubing it was the end of the roll and in very tight coils. I was as well trying to figure out a way like dumping into a bucket. I ended up attaching the python to the kitchen sink and running the tank end into the bathtub and turning on the hot water at the sink. I let the water run out into the tub and rolled the house up how I wanted for coil sizes when I drained it. Worked great!

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-27, 17:34

I think I'd rather just buy the right type of hose that doesn't kink, than deal with a kinky hose that you'd have to "troubleshoot" to prevent kinking. Smile

Like I mentioned earlier, one of my hoses is really flexible and rubber-like...to where it doesn't kink at all, but doesn't make the hose rigid. It's really neat stuff. I want more of that particular hose.

ShortyKiloGyrl 2014-05-27, 17:47

Madness wrote:You know your fish would live longer if you did. Just saying, but its your choice if you want to keep having your fish ingest and swim in all of those toxins that come from your hot water tank.

How big of tank should you do this with at minimum and what percent of water changes? I never really thought of the ill effect warm water could have but it makes perfect sense! I've seen the junk that comes comes out of the bottom of a hot water tank. It is quite the nasty sludge that oozes out!

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-28, 17:41

It's confirmed. The hose I want is by python. Awesome!!!

DMD123 2014-05-28, 17:51

PokeSephiroth wrote:It's confirmed. The hose I want is by python. Awesome!!!

Until you see the price.... whistle

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-28, 17:53

I'm willing to pay 99 bucks for a hundred footer. :-3

DMD123 2014-05-28, 18:02

PokeSephiroth wrote:I'm willing to pay 99 bucks for a hundred footer. :-3

Thats pretty much the going rate. Might be able to find a 10% off coupon with free shipping or something but that is the price they go for. Sad

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-28, 18:03

Yeah they're like 98 something on amazon with free 2 day shipping if you're a prime member. In might check other places.

DMD123 2014-05-28, 18:05

If you get it from Kensfish online and use Coupon code: ECC10% you will be given a 10% off discount for East Coast Cichlid members. Also free ground shipping, so $89.99!

dwarfpike 2014-05-28, 18:17

Might be too late, but have you thought about those large trash bins on wheels? We used to use them when I worked at a matienence company. Holds 30 gallons, can use two ... one for letting the water age and bring it up to temp with spare heaters, the other to drain. A small sump pump in the new water one makes adding water to the tanks easy peasy.

ShortyKiloGyrl 2014-05-28, 18:52

Sorry Poke. The negative vote was me. Stupid new touch screen phone! I sowwie! Lol

MorganEA 2014-05-28, 19:03

dwarfpike wrote:Might be too late, but have you thought about those large trash bins on wheels? We used to use them when I worked at a matienence company. Holds 30 gallons, can use two ... one for letting the water age and bring it up to temp with spare heaters, the other to drain. A small sump pump in the new water one makes adding water to the tanks easy peasy.

That's a great idea! wouldn't work on carpet though. I just got one of the aqueon water changers and it is so nice not having to lug buckets around!

**Aquarium Co-Op** 2014-05-29, 00:13

I want to find a way I can mount a hose reel to the wall and wind up a hose. The problem I run into, like in my garden lets say, you need to let the water leave the hose as it winds up? That'd be lots of water on my shop floor.

The only thing I can think of is a Y at the sink and open a portion there as I reel it in and have the valve closed at the end of the hose.

KaraWolf 2014-05-29, 00:37

You could drag your end of the hose back to the reel and plop it in a bucket. That way when you wind it all the hose water goes in the bucket. You do end up with one bucket of water but thats better then a million.....

**MRTom** 2014-05-29, 01:09

Aquarium Co-Op wrote:I want to find a way I can mount a hose reel to the wall and wind up a hose. The problem I run into, like in my garden lets say, you need to let the water leave the hose as it winds up? That'd be lots of water on my shop floor.

The only thing I can think of is a Y at the sink and open a portion there as I reel it in and have the valve closed at the end of the hose.

If you can close the output side of the hose, why wouldn't you close it, walk it over to the sink and hang it over the edge, open it there, and then reel it in while draining all the water into the sink? No Y needed that way.

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Aaand I just read Kara's reply! Wink

Yeah, same thing, but no bucket Smile

**PokeSephiroth** 2014-05-29, 01:48

We use the garbage can on wheels at aquarium co-op. I would rather not, in a home setting. Lol.

100ft python all the way!

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