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Post  Chiisai on 2014-02-23, 23:45

Today I went out and picked up my 6 Laetacara araguaiae‏ from livebearer. I am so stoked. Currently they are 5 weeks old. I put them in a 65gal tank with a few guppies and some ramshorn snails that hitch hiked in on a few plants. Dont have any pics atm as they are hiding behind the spongefilter or under the rocks but I will update as I can. But I thought I would keep a journal of these neat smiling fish for all to see.

Tank: 65gal (established)
Vegetation: Mild to Moderate
Substrate: Black/white sand
PH: 7.2 (bringing it down slowly)
kh/GH: 4 (71ish ppm)
Ammonia: 0ppm
Nitrites: 0ppm
Nitrates: 20ppm
Temp: 77f
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Post  zach_discus on 2014-02-24, 02:33

Good luck with them. I picked up 11 last night and am looking forward to seeing them grow up. Very neet little fish with a great adult coloration. I also have a group of nannacara adoketa that are about the same age in the tank next to them. Love dwarf cichlids oh and Discus Smile
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Post  Chiisai on 2014-02-24, 03:43

Got any good sites for information on them? Seems like there isn't much on the web about them except people who want them, and people saying they got them to breed. I am trying to find technical info like dietary needs, water parameters, ect
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Post  dwarfpike on 2014-02-24, 04:22

There isn't much on them out there. They have been found in the Rio Tapajos, Rio Xingu, Rio Tocantins, and the Rio Araguaia drainages which are all clearwater rivers so they don't need the tanins and super low pH's that some of their cousins need ... but they are more nitrate sensitive than others in the genus so I would do a water change if I were reading such high levels.

I have yet to come across a stomach analysis of any Laetacara, but I would wager they would be much like any other dwarf acara ... tiny insects and debris. Especially given the one and only pic I ever found of them in their native habitat (it's a breeding article, and the pic is small).

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Funnily enough, my always laid they eggs in the exact same time frame the article mentioned the wild ones do. I kept mine at 80F, which is a bit low than a lot of the larger species from those rivers, but I figured they would be found in the smaller tributaries and such. It seemed to work out.
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Post  Chiisai on 2014-02-24, 21:29

dwarfpike wrote:There isn't much on them out there. They have been found in the Rio Tapajos, Rio Xingu, Rio Tocantins, and the Rio Araguaia drainages which are all clearwater rivers so they don't need the tanins and super low pH's that some of their cousins need ... but they are more nitrate sensitive than others in the genus so I would do a water change if I were reading such high levels.

I have yet to come across a stomach analysis of any Laetacara, but I would wager they would be much like any other dwarf acara ... tiny insects and debris. Especially given the one and only pic I ever found of them in their native habitat (it's a breeding article, and the pic is small).

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Funnily enough, my always laid they eggs in the exact same time frame the article mentioned the wild ones do. I kept mine at 80F, which is a bit low than a lot of the larger species from those rivers, but I figured they would be found in the smaller tributaries and such. It seemed to work out.

Fantastic link just the type of thing I was looking for. I have my water a bit below 80 so maybe I will increase the temp slowly over the next few weeks. Also looks like their natural habitat is sand so I guess I should be glad I decided no to put them in the 70gal with small/medium gravel  cheers 
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Post  fishNAbowl on 2014-02-24, 22:45

I think 6 is to many, you should reduce by 1. Just so happens I am looking for 1, your lucky day!  geek 

Kidding aside, I knew livebearer was on the hunt for these. Did she spawn them or are these part of a group buy? Either way, if you are successful with breeding there are a few members here that are interested in offspring. Me being 1. Please share pictures of these awesome little guys, watching you raise them and going through trials and tribulations of breeding is what makes this forum awesome Smile
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Post  lloyd378 on 2014-02-24, 22:58

Going to need some pics from all you guys before I comment further . lol. Looking forward to following this post

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Post  Chiisai on 2014-02-24, 23:15

lloyd378 wrote:Going to need some pics from all you guys before I comment further . lol.  Looking forward to following this post
ask and you shall recieve. Not sure how to resize these pics so I hope they are big enough...

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Here is a shot of the whole tank

Cant get a close up of these guys as neither my phone or camera will auto focus through the glass. They seem to like to hug the back wall where I provided lots and lots of cover(rocks and plants). 2 are showing some really pretty blue facial coloring the rest are very dull. They are also demonstrating some real neat camoflauge. Going from vertical stripes, to horizontal stripes, to spotting similiar to Lloyds WC convicts. Real neat lil guys I will try to get better pics in the future. SiR... once I know I have a bonded pair Your welcome to come down and grab 2.

I think one of the best parts of doing a journal for these fish is simply because there is just flat out not much on the web about them. I am going to keep notes on behavior and feedings so I can help the next guy. Its kind of exciting keeping a fish which has very little published information on.
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Post  fishNAbowl on 2014-02-24, 23:47

I think that's the 2nd time you may have gotten me mixed up with SiRWesDragon? Or, am I off , and not understanding the "SiR" ? 

Anyway, nice start with the photos! Thanks for sharing Smile ! They will be more at ease as time goes on, I'm sure. I have recently got into dwarf Acaras as well. So far I picked up in the last month 1 Golden Dwarf (Nannacara anomala) , and 1 Dwarf Flag cichlid (Laetacara curviceps). 


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A bit different from the Apistogramma . I like em Smile
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Post  Chiisai on 2014-02-24, 23:56

yes sorry I have had a few to drink tonight. FishN... not SiR I give up I am not using names anymore whistle 
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Post  fishNAbowl on 2014-02-25, 00:20

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Post  Chiisai on 2014-03-01, 02:08

Behavioral Update

I can confirm without a doubt these fish are snail eaters. When first introducing these acara there were approx 20 pond snails, 5 red ramshorn, and a dozen or so trumpet snails. Of the afore mentioned list only 3 trumpet snails remain. They seem quite capable of digging up the trumpets in the sandy substrate.

 Still looking for a reason but these fish seem to occasionally "scratch" them selves against a rock or plant. The fish will swim up to a plant or rock and wiggle against it.
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Post  fishNAbowl on 2014-03-01, 11:30

They eat snails? Interesting!



Rubbing? No white spots, right?
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Post  Chiisai on 2014-03-01, 12:40

Yeah they are a bit like clown loaches they kind of toss the snail around in the water until they can pry the snail lid off and then rip the snail out of the shell. Its kind of interesting to watch them eat them. Thought it was worth mentioning as I know I have snails in every tank for "cleaning."

 Yeah I dont see any spots, I am thinking about medicating the tank just to be safe but not sure how the fish will react to it. Got them from Livebearer in a group buy and she had them quarintined to check for infection so if they have something they got it from my tank.

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Post  Chiisai on 2014-03-03, 01:41

Added some new pics now that they are no so bashful. Quick lil buggers though. Had to take like 30 photos just to get these and even then they are kinda blurry.

Updated tank specs
Tank: 65gal (established)
Vegetation: Mild to Moderate
Substrate: Black/white sand
PH: 7.0 (bringing it down slowly)
kh/GH: 4 (71ish ppm)
Ammonia: 0ppm
Nitrites: 0ppm
Nitrates: 10ppm
Temp: 79f
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Post  cichlid-gal on 2014-03-03, 08:56

Chiisai wrote:Yeah they are a bit like clown loaches they kind of toss the snail around in the water until they can pry the snail lid off and then rip the snail out of the shell. Its kind of interesting to watch them eat them. Thought it was worth mentioning as I know I have snails in every tank for "cleaning."

 Yeah I dont see any spots, I am thinking about medicating the tank just to be safe but not sure how the fish will react to it. Got them from Livebearer in a group buy and she had them quarintined to check for infection so if they have something they got it from my tank.

I think I saw a post by Livebearer on our GSAS Airstone about spots on some of her quarantened fish so you might want to check with her. Assuming these are from the same shipment. Shipping is stressful and then relocating to you adds more. Good luck with the treatment.
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Post  fishNAbowl on 2014-03-03, 09:48

Chiisai wrote:Added some new pics now that they are no so bashful. Quick lil buggers though. Had to take like 30 photos just to get these and even then they are kinda blurry.

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Post  Chiisai on 2014-05-18, 01:05

Updated tank specs
Tank: 65gal (established)
Vegetation: Moderate
Substrate: Black/white sand
PH: 6.2 (had an accident with acid buffer Head Wall )
kh/GH: 4 (71ish ppm)
Ammonia: 0ppm
Nitrites: 0ppm
Nitrates: 25ppm
Temp: 79f

Well its been a while since I last updated. I have been working down in Portland and dont have much time to get online. Well tonight I pee'ed my pants. I went over to the Acara tank and only counted 4 of the 6. Upon closer inspection I noticed two of them hovering behind my pumice "donut." I'm a daddy!

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Sorry about pic quality. the fry are very small, and the water is darkened by bogwood and indian almond leaves
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Post  Guest on 2014-05-18, 01:28

Spot On 
Got me a pair of the electric blue acaras.  Waiting for that day you experienced today.

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Post  Chiisai on 2014-05-18, 10:27

If anyone can find anything on sexing these guys I would be greatful. They seem to shift color paterns alot so i can never figure them out. All seem approx. same size, fin shape/length appear similar as well. The two guarding the fry now have "aztec" type markings covering their bodies. I assume this is added camoflauge while protecting their clutch.
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Post  dwarfpike on 2014-05-18, 13:00

As they get larger, the fin difference will become more apparent. My male had the coppery splash in the dorsal and the female on the body, but I don't know if this is regional like the curviceps are (some have female spots, some races don't).

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Post  Guest on 2014-05-18, 14:21

How about on electric blue acaras?  Sexing same as regular blue acaras? 

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Post  dwarfpike on 2014-05-18, 14:36

Well, on those the minor color differences are out the door obviously since they lack the patterns. Fins should still tell, but not many have seen adults yet here in the states so can't say 100%.
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Post  Chiisai on 2014-05-18, 17:17

Well an update I now have 2 confirmed clutches of smiling acara fry. Assuming 25% survive(not sure how hardy these lil guys are) I would like to offer them to fishbox members first. I will keep everyone posted
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Post  fishNAbowl on 2014-05-19, 12:00

Wow, very nice! I don't have this species yet and would love an opportunity to get one.
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Post  Chiisai on 2014-05-19, 13:16

fishNAbowl wrote:Wow, very nice! I don't have this species yet and would love an opportunity to get one.  

you had mentioned interest earlier. If things work out i might be able to get you a mated pair if your interested
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Post  fishNAbowl on 2014-05-19, 13:21

Oh , yes I did. In my enthusiasm of your update I just spit it out there again Smile
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Post  Guest on 2014-05-19, 15:30

Chiisai wrote:If things work out i might be able to get you a mated pair if your interested
Me too. Please.  Love to have another species of these acaras. Please.

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Post  dwarfpike on 2014-05-19, 15:32

Careful chaps ... acaras can get addictive with their personalities. Even the mighty Jeff Rapps has admitted to being a closet acara fan.  cheers 
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Post  Guest on 2014-05-19, 15:36

I'm already addicted. Cant you see.
Shocked bounce bounce bounce haha 

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Post  Chiisai on 2014-05-19, 15:59

SiRWesDragon wrote:
Chiisai wrote:If things work out i might be able to get you a mated pair if your interested
Me too. Please.  Love to have another species of these acaras. Please.

if things go well, would you be opposed to exchange of acara? Would love to get blues. I am ok with being addicted,its cheaper to feed an acara addiction then say dovii, ot jags lol
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Post  Guest on 2014-05-19, 16:23

Chiisai wrote:
if things go well, would you be opposed to exchange of acara? Would love to get blues
Let me breed them first then I'll give some fry to you to grow out too. It will be their first. Btw they are $20 each. Not trading these guys. But will trade their offsprings. Ok?

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Post  Chiisai on 2014-05-19, 17:23

Yep sounds good, lol didn't mean to imply i wanted your original pair.
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Post  Guest on 2014-05-19, 17:29

Chiisai wrote:Yep sounds good, lol didn't mean to imply i wanted your original pair.
 lol! 
They laid eggs last week but damn pleco ate them. But they will lay again soon then in a couple months will be able to have frys for ya. I'll power feed them. Sweet. We got a deal.

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Post  Chiisai on 2014-05-19, 18:31

Yeah i learned the hard way either no pleco, or don't turn the lights off lol
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Post  cichlid-gal on 2014-05-19, 21:15

Congrats to all of you on your spawns. Very nice fish.
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Post  Guest on 2014-05-21, 09:45

I got electric blue acara eggs. Yay.

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Post  fishNAbowl on 2014-05-21, 10:08

SiRWesDragon wrote:I got electric blue acara eggs. Yay.

What is an electric blue Acara? Is this a JD or a different species? Is it a dwarf?
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Post  Guest on 2014-05-21, 10:36

Same as the regular blue acaras but bred to have more blue scales. Like the JD has an electric blue JD. Picture of electric blue acara are on the second post of this thread.

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Post  Guest on 2014-05-22, 22:56

Well they didn't eat the eggs cause I see wigglers today. Very Happy Spot On 

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Post  Chiisai on 2014-07-07, 01:07

Ok long time no update. Been out of town alot and have not made it a priority to post. So I had a male die, and now beliee I have 1 male and 4 female. They seem to lay eggs every 3 weeks. the eggs hatch within 48hrs. Problem I am having is the wiggles dont seem to last more then 72hrs. I dont see any lil fish bodies on the bottom. No PH change or temp fluctuations. Only acara and a few ottos in the tank so unless mom and dad are eating them... not sure. I am currently cycling a 30gal tank to move the breeding pair to. I am hoping my isolating the two I can discern the culprit. Wish me luck!
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Post  Chiisai on 2014-08-22, 16:33

UPDATE:

Separated female and a male from the pack. I now have about 150 pea sized fry i will need to find homes for lol. Cheers!
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